[Sepah-e Pasdaran]

I know this is abit late, but I thought that the members of AIM Forums would appreciate it. Of course everybody in the world with a television knows of the events of September 11 2001, when the two trade centre towers were attacked. Memorial services have been held every year, and nobody has been allowed to forget or to move on, the images constantly thrown at us and shoved down our throats, trying to make us remember forever, and allow us to understand why the United States must combat terrorism in order to bring about a safer world free of violence. Well that is what we are told, and the media has been relentless in its campaign to justify American invasion of two sovereign countries (and Israeli invasion of one) in a small gap or merely 5 years. America claims to want peace, and the phrase "in this post-9/11 world that we live in" is thrown around the make people blindly follow. Don't get me wrong, I do not condone any deliberate attacks on civilians, and the events of 9/11 were truly horrific, however I thought to look at 9/11 from a historical perspective would be appropriate, and when one does, they can see the much more horrific and terrible events in the past that have taken place on the same day, with America being the agressor. These days are not remembered, and the dead are not mourned; they have been lost in the ignorance of the populations, and while their tragedy remains silent, mediocrity is propagated.

September 11, 1609. Henry Hudson “discovers” (it was already inhabited) Manhattan Island. Blankets infected with bubonic plague and smallpox are given to the natives so the colonial armies can save bullets. In the NY area alone, more than 150,000 First Nations people are killed or left homeless in the ensuing years.



September 11, 1917. Ferdinand Marcos Philippines Pres (1965-86) is born. His US sponsored military dictatorship and death squads trained at Fort Benning Georgia were responsible for the death of tens of thousands of Philippinos. Hundreds of thousands more were tortured, mutilated, and had their homes burnt to the ground with US State Department approval.



September 11, 1919. The US once again invades Honduras on behalf of the United Fruit Company to put down a popular revolt against a US puppet dictatorship that had been murdering, starving and torturing the populace at the behest of United Fruit for decades.



September 11, 1922. The British Mandate of Palestine Begins. British guns murdered tens of thousands of Palestinian Arabs, displacing them from their homes and settlements that were then given to Jewish settlers. More than 1200 villages were totally destroyed by the British in collaboration with Jewish militants. Since that time, more than three million Palestinians have been made homeless, and more than 100,000 have been killed by British, American, and Israeli soldiers, to make room for Jewish settlers in contravention of international law, and in violation of no less than 30 directives of the Fourth Geneva Convention.



September 11, 1946 US Troops land in Korea to begin the slaughter of Korean civilians at Nogun-Ri and hundreds of other sites. In all, more than three million Korean lose their lives, out of a combined North and South Korean population of thirty million.



September 11, 1973 Chile's elected President Salvador Allende is deposed in a CIA backed military coup, resulting in 3175 deaths on the first day of Augusto Pinochet’s reign. During Pinochet’s US Backed tenure, more than 100,000 people disappeared, and hundreds of thousands were tortured using tactics taught at Fort Benning Georgia’s School of Americas using the now declassified CIA Kubark Manual.



September 11, 1990 George H W Bush makes his “Toward a New World Order” speech, announcing the sanctions regime, which by 1998 had killed more than 1.5 million people.



Now lets look at some figures, in comparison to 911, 2001 shall we?

The number of dead in Iraq is the equivalent of the events of September 11 happening to the people of Iraq once a week, every week, for the last 12 years, since George H W Bush made his New World Order speech announcing the sanctions regime against Baghdad on September 11, 1990.

Half of the nearly two million Iraqi casualties are children under the age of five. That’s more than 330 WTC’s full of little kids. By comparison, only six children under the age of five died on September 11, 2001.


Let's not forget that we are only looking at one day here, and there are many hundreds of other days in which people have died as a result of American Imperialism, including the recent Lebanon crisis, in which the US-backed Zionist regime killed over 1000 innocent Lebanese Civilians, compared to a loss of 100 innocent Israeli's killed by Hezbollah resistance fighters.

Hezbollah mainly killed Soldiers. Israel mainly killed civilians. Most of the dead Lebanese are a result of Zionist aggression were children. Israel has highly advanced military equipment, including many thousands of precision guided missiles delivered to them by the USA, and yet they claim that the bombing of children was an "accident". Hezbollah has obsolete 20 year old Soviet-Era missiles, and yet they managed to successfully target a majority of soldiers, with minimal civilian losses.

Israel used illegal cluster bombs, most of which killed children, and they were also the first to break the cease-fire, and they did so repeatedly. All this and the international community waited months before stepping in, and the US has not considered halting or even partially decreasing the 3billion a year military contribution to Israel.

SO the next time you hear somebody talking about how America has the right to declare war on other nations, perhaps you can inform that person that the people of the world have continually had their rights trampled on by the US government, and yet justice has not been achieved, nor will it in the near future.

A thank you to Vox News for some of the interesting facts

[Hazzard]

Give America time, its sorting out its own problems.

Believe it or not a large majority of Americans are trying to get rid of thier leadership becuase they know who was responsible for 9/11.

You can say "Yes but tell those who die at the hands of American soldiers to just wait" but it doesnt stop the problems it just cuases further divides.

If you dont wait, people are still going to be killed and the problems will persist. It isnt "America" that is the aggressor, it is Americas leadership that hijacked that so called free country. The fact is its going to take time, many Americans still hold on to the lie that they are free, but one day soon the country is going to wake up as many millions have already and things will change.

The problem is many disgruntled young impressionable muslims are doing exactly what the CIA and its benefactors want, to become extremists and give Americans an enemy to hate not only fight.

[Sepah-e Pasdaran]

Hazzard, on Oct 6 2006, 11:28 PM, said:

Give America time, its sorting out its own problems.

Believe it or not a large majority of Americans are trying to get rid of thier leadership becuase they know who was responsible for 9/11.

You can say "Yes but tell those who die at the hands of American soldiers to just wait" but it doesnt stop the problems it just cuases further divides.

If you dont wait, people are still going to be killed and the problems will persist. It isnt "America" that is the aggressor, it is Americas leadership that hijacked that so called free country. The fact is its going to take time, many Americans still hold on to the lie that they are free, but one day soon the country is going to wake up as many millions have already and things will change.

The problem is many disgruntled young impressionable muslims are doing exactly what the CIA and its benefactors want, to become extremists and give Americans an enemy to hate not only fight.

I understand what you are saying and I agree with you. I use the word 'America'/'Americans' in my post, but the target of my post was not at all average Americans. Alot of Americans are ignorant of the fact that their government is responsible for the killings of millions of innocent civilians. I know there are also alot of very educated Americans who do not like the US government's methods of achieving their goals, or even their political aspirations, and those Americans are the most valuable in bringing to light these issues. I have no problem with any race or nationality of people, as I am not a racist, but I do have a problem with the hypocrisy of the US government. No government in this world is completely flawless, however when the US government openly claims to be doing the right thing, representing human rights, fighting terrorism, defending the underdog, etc; when in fact they are the greatest abusers of human rights in this world, and the US government (as explained above) has been responsible for so many tragedies in the world, that leads to the 'disgruntling' of people.

السلام علیکم

[Hazzard]

That is great to see that there is understanding in all peoples, considering the hard times we find ourselves living in.

As much as people give Americans a hard time, they forget that Americans are victims to. Victims to the greatest largest and most complex and well funded propoganda ever devised, the kind that would make Goebbels urinate with joy. They are a smart peoples (Alot are dumb ofcourse), but you cant fight this kind of mind control its too complex and to deep. It involves the media, the education system, everything. Not only that but the ignorance that this kind of environment encourages, means that forign nations can look in objectivly and see the lies clearly, the results of those lies, and the inaction of the American people to stop it. They dont live in America, they dont experience the great lie and thus they cant put themselves in Americans shoes. Not only that but the hatred towards Americans means that Americans are more inclined to believe the Governments lies and how they are under constant threat from non-Americans, further increasing the effectiveness of the mind control.

[Omega]

i agree that the lies are very complex and this brainwashing has been going on for so many years that its built into their culture. but the facts are if the people want to know the truth, they have the largest and most easily access resource known to man, its called the internet. knowing the trust isnt hard, its wanting to accept the truth that ur living in luxury because of blood money, that ur government that u have always thought are defenders of truth are actually the agressors, its to accept that being a patriot to your country might not be a good thing, because the guy controling it is the devil himself.

accepting that means accepting that everything u've been taunt ur whole life is a lie, which is hard to accept

This post has been edited by Omega: 06 October 2006 - 05:44 PM

[Rehmat]

The Zionist controlled US government and its mass-media will never let American dupes to find out that 9/11 was planned and executed by Zionists in the US and in the Zionist entity occupying Palestine. As Russian-Israeli writer, Israel Shamir, wrote recently - America is as much Jewish country as Vatican is Catholic.

Truth will come eventually - as the 20th century's biggest hoax - "Six Million Died"

http://www.the7thfir...of_contents.htm

[Hazzard]

Dude your going to find your world is going to be turned upside down in the next 10 years unless you can recognise that this goes beyond the zionists.

They are a small part of it doing thier portion of the evils just like every other group involved is.

Its about power and money, its as simple as that. They want to rule over humanity in a totalitarian regime. Some kind of uber-UnitedNations.

Im not saying zionists dont exist, im simply saying that they arnt the only ones to blame and do not infact "run the show".

[Sepah-e Pasdaran]

Hazzard, on Oct 7 2006, 07:56 AM, said:

Dude your going to find your world is going to be turned upside down in the next 10 years unless you can recognise that this goes beyond the zionists.

They are a small part of it doing thier portion of the evils just like every other group involved is.

Its about power and money, its as simple as that. They want to rule over humanity in a totalitarian regime. Some kind of uber-UnitedNations.

Im not saying zionists dont exist, im simply saying that they arnt the only ones to blame and do not infact "run the show".

I agree. The Zionists are a big part of the events taking place, but they are not the only ones to blame. They have a huge role in these events, especially today, and alot of the US government are either zionists or supporters of their cause. The end of Zionism will not bring about the end of this 'experiment', but rather a brief halt. The ones in control of the world at this moment are the government and intelligence officials of the US/Israel (they can practically do whatever they want with lies, blackmail, bullying, more lies, etc), however I agree with Hazzard to some extent that this huge lie has been implanted into the brains of unsuspecting Americans through the television, education, and overall daily interactions and messages of the American people, and will be very difficult to overturn. I guess this war will never really end until either all self-respecting Muslims are dead, or the US/Israeli government's are completely remodelled, their leaders changed, and the structure of the countries in terms of domestic and foreign policies are changed.

Wassalam

P.S. If you have seen the movie 'V for Vandetta' you will know what I am talking about. I recommend watching it, a very good movie and very frighteningly mirroring the path that some countries are going down now. Some people might say it is merely a conspiracy theory, but it is not that hard to believe after seeing some of the pieces of legislation that are being passed in some countries, and the measures taken to 'prevent terrorism'. A definite watch if you like this kind of thing, it has alot of relevance to this topic.

This post has been edited by Sepah-e Pasdaran: 07 October 2006 - 06:56 AM

[Rehmat]

I found the truth long time ago - but dumb Zionist propagandists like you are required to live in self-denial.

No one other than Jews are called 'Shylocks'. They breath and smell money - and bringing in of Zionist animals from Europe to Palestine was a project of bankers - headed by no other than Zionist Jew family of Rothschild. Baron Edmond James (Avrahim Binyamin) de Rothschild (1845-1934) is known as the "Father of the Settlement" (Avi ha-Yishuv). The Zionist entity's 1982 Independence Day (Occupation Day) coin is dedicated to the memory of Rothschild and marks the centenary of his first projects in Palestine.

http://www.sweetlibe...oth-israel.html

Get it Abe Foxman's (ADL) tail?

[Hazzard]

You are aggresive, close minded and dangerous sir.

What you are saying is true, but what you are implying is not.

Zionism does not take responsibility for every problem in the world, and those who deny it are not paid zionist propagandists.

I know who the Rothschilds are, and I know who the Rockeffellers are, I know who the Kennedys, the Onassis, the Van Der Belts and the rest of the 13 satanic family bloodlines are.

You strike me as a berett wearing fanatic, not the suicide bombing sort, but the kind that seems adament at wiping out a single race.

It is far easier for you to blame one organization in the hope that if its stopped all our ills will disappear and im afraid that is both niaeve and foolish.

Not once, not a single time, have I herd you once speak about the terrorist cell controllers in the ISI. The ISI is deeply connected with the intelligence services in the west who are orchastrating this entire false paradigm. But they have skin colors that resemble yours, and your closed mind cannot see a traitor when they are infront of you. EVERY SINGLE RACE IS BEING SACRIFICED BY THIER LEADERS BOTH RELEGIOUS AND POLITICAL FOR A PIECE OF THE TYRANIC WORLD GOVERNMENT PIE!

Like I said you are going to find yourself becoming increasingly bitter and angry in the next 10 years I can garentee that, you will eventualy snap and get yourself imprisoned rather than looking at the larger picture and understanding that it is an enormous foe we face and not just a single facet.

Yes V for Vendetta is one amongst hundreds of films id recomend as a warning to people. Ofcourse most people prefer thier life as a lie and will succumb to the propaganda no matter what cost.

This post has been edited by Hazzard: 07 October 2006 - 11:28 AM

[Rehmat]

Hazzard, on Oct 7 2006, 11:26 AM, said:

You are aggresive, close minded and dangerous sir.

On the other hand - you're a professional Zionist propagandist spreading lies on Muslim websites - and as usual, instead of giving some rational counter-proof; you come down to the usual Zionists' filthy tactics - character assassination of the opponent.

[Sepah-e Pasdaran]

The ISI, yes from what I have read about that organisation, I am appalled. To have a Pakistani and MUSLIM organisation carry out such anti-Islamic and anti-Muslim operations is disgusting. The CIA assists the ISI because they apparently have the same aims, and some of those aims are horrible even to think of, especially considering the ISI hurts other Muslim nations. People like this should be brought to justice, and thwy will face it in this life or the next.

[Guardian]

Salaam

Rehmet & Hazzard, please keep it nice!

Disagreement and debate is good but select the appropriate words and dont make it personal.

Thanks..

[Hazzard]

Sorry Rehmat, I didnt mean to insult you.

[Rehmat]

Guardian, on Oct 8 2006, 03:07 AM, said:

Salaam

Rehmet & Hazzard, please keep it nice!

Don't you think you woke-up a little late for your advice?

Who 'praised' me earlier under his another Israeli ID?

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HarunAlRashid

Your stupid comentary is not worth reading.

You merely embarass yourself and this web site by posting your mental vomit.

It could not be Rehmat's second ID - because Tel Aviv would not give him the Zionist propaganda tool - 'Megaphone':

http://bellaciao.org...d_article=13138

But then - there plenty of naives - who think that by giving a professional Zionist propagandist more rights on a Muslim websites - could convert him/her to Islam.

[Rehmat]

Sepah-e Pasdaran, on Oct 8 2006, 02:09 AM, said:

The ISI, yes from what I have read about that organisation, I am appalled. To have a Pakistani and MUSLIM organisation carry out such anti-Islamic and anti-Muslim operations is disgusting. The CIA assists the ISI because they apparently have the same aims, and some of those aims are horrible even to think of, especially considering the ISI hurts other Muslim nations. People like this should be brought to justice, and thwy will face it in this life or the next.

Pakistan movement was infested by Zionists way before the establishment of the state of Pakistan. Both Pakistan Military (under its first British C-in-C, Gen. Gracey), and its Foreign Services - under its first foreign minister, Sir Zafrulla Khan (a Qadiani) and British India's last ambassador to England, Sir Feroz Khan Noon (married to a Jewess). The later became even prime minister of Pakistan for a short while.

Afte Qaid-e-Azam's right-hand man and Pakistan's first prime minister was assassinated (a CIA/Mossad operation) in 1950s for refusing to recognize the fascist state of Israel - the government came under the control of military and pro-Israeli foreign service officials. Two of the four military dictators (Gen. Zia & Gen. Musharraf) showed their willingness to reconize the zionist entity - but failed, so far, under public pressure.