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Why the US Wants to Delegitimize the Iranian Elections
Written by Paul Craig Roberts   
Tuesday, 16 June 2009 17:26
How much attention do elections in Japan, India, Argentina, or any other country, get from the U.S. media? How many Americans and American journalists even know who is in political office in other countries besides England, France, and Germany? Who can name the political leaders of Switzerland, Holland, Brazil, Japan, or even China?

Yet, many know of Iran’s President Ahmadinejad. The reason is obvious. He is daily demonized in the U.S. media.

The U.S. media’s demonization of Ahmadinejad itself demonstrates American ignorance. The President of Iran is not the ruler. He is not the commander-in-chief of the armed forces. He cannot set policies outside the boundaries set by Iran’s rulers, the ayatollahs who are not willing for the Iranian Revolution to be overturned by American money in some color-coded “revolution.”

Iranians have a bitter experience with the United States government. Their first democratic election, after emerging from occupied and colonized status in the 1950s, was overturned by the U.S. government. The U.S. government installed in place of the elected candidate a dictator who tortured and murdered dissidents who thought Iran should be an independent country and not ruled by an American puppet.

The U.S. “superpower” has never forgiven the Iranian Islamic ayatollahs for the Iranian Revolution in the late 1970s, which overthrew the U.S. puppet government and held hostage U.S. embassy personnel, regarded as “a den of spies,” while Iranian students pieced together shredded embassy documents that proved America’s complicity in the destruction of Iranian democracy.

The government-controlled U.S. corporate media, a Ministry of Propaganda, has responded to the re-election of Ahmadinejad with non-stop reports of violent Iranians protests to a stolen election. A stolen election is presented as a fact, even thought there is no evidence for it whatsoever. The U.S. media’s response to the documented stolen elections during the George W. Bush/Karl Rove era was to ignore the evidence of real stolen elections.

Leaders of the puppet states of Great Britain and Germany have fallen in line with the American psychological warfare operation. The discredited British Foreign Secretary, David Miliband, expressed his “serioU.S. doubt” about Ahmadinejad’s victory to a meeting of European Union ministers in Luxembourg. Miliband, of course, has no source of independent information. He is simply following Washington’s instructions and relying on unsupported claims by the defeated candidate preferred by the U.S. Government.

Angela Merkel, Chancellor of Germany, had her arm twisted, too. She called in the Iranian ambassador to demand “more transparency” on the elections.

Even the American left-wing has endorsed the U.S. government’s propaganda. Writing in The Nation, Robert Dreyfus’s presents the hysterical views of one Iranian dissident as if they are the definitive truth about “the illegitimate election,” terming it “a coup d’etat.”

What is the source of the information for the U.S. media and the American puppet states?

Nothing but the assertions of the defeated candidate, the one America prefers.

However, there is hard evidence to the contrary. An independent, objective poll was conducted in Iran by American pollsters prior to the election. The pollsters, Ken Ballen of the nonprofit Center for Public Opinion and Patrick Doherty of the nonprofit New America Foundation, describe their poll results in the June 15 Washington Post. The polling was funded by the Rockefeller Brothers Fund and was conducted in Farsi “by a polling company whose work in the region for ABC News and the BBC has received an Emmy award.”*

The poll results, the only real information we have at this time, indicate that the election results reflect the will of the Iranian voters. Among the extremely interesting information revealed by the poll is the following:

“Many experts are claiming that the margin of victory of incumbent President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was the result of fraud or manipulation, but our nationwide public opinion survey of Iranians three weeks before the vote showed Ahmadinejad leading by a more than 2 to 1 margin -- greater than his actual apparent margin of victory in Friday's election.

“While Western news reports from Tehran in the days leading up to the voting portrayed an Iranian public enthusiastic about Ahmadinejad's principal opponent, Mir Hossein Moussavi, our scientific sampling from across all 30 of Iran's provinces showed Ahmadinejad well ahead.

“The breadth of Ahmadinejad's support was apparent in our pre-election survey. During the campaign, for instance, Moussavi emphasized his identity as an Azeri, the second-largest ethnic group in Iran after Persians, to woo Azeri voters. Our survey indicated, though, that Azeris favored Ahmadinejad by 2 to 1 over MoU.S.avi.

“Much commentary has portrayed Iranian youth and the Internet as harbingers of change in this election. But our poll found that only a third of Iranians even have access to the Internet, while 18-to-24-year-olds comprised the strongest voting bloc for Ahmadinejad of all age groups.

“The only demographic groups in which our survey found Moussavi leading or competitive with Ahmadinejad were university students and graduates, and the highest-income Iranians. When our poll was taken, almost a third of Iranians were also still undecided. Yet the baseline distributions we found then mirror the results reported by the Iranian authorities, indicating the possibility that the vote is not the product of widespread fraud.”


There have been numerous news reports that the U.S. government has implemented a program to destabilize Iran. There have been reports that the U.S. government has financed bombings and assassinations within Iran. The U.S. media treats these reports in a braggadocio manner as illustrations of the American Superpower’s ability to bring dissenting countries to heel, while some foreign media see these reports as evidence of the U.S. government’s inherent immorality.

Pakistan’s former military chief, General Mirza Aslam Beig, said on Pashto Radio on Monday, June 15, that undisputed intelligence proves the U.S. interfered in the Iranian election. “The documents prove that the CIA spent 400 million dollars inside Iran to prop up a colorful but hollow revolution following the election.”

The success of the U.S. government in financing color revolutions in former Soviet Georgia and Ukraine and in other parts of the former Soviet empire have been widely reported and discussed, with the U.S. media treating it as an indication of U.S. omnipotence and natural right and some foreign media as a sign of U.S. interference in the internal affairs of other countries. It is certainly within the realm of possibility that Mir Hossein Moussavi is a bought and paid for operative of the U.S. government.

We know for a fact that the U.S. government has psychological warfare operations that target both Americans and foreigners through the U.S. and foreign media. Many articles have been published on this subject.

Think about the Iranian election from a common sense standpoint. Neither myself nor the vast majority of readers are Iranian experts. But from a common sense standpoint, if your country was under constant threat of attack, even nuclear attack, from two countries with much more powerful military establishments, as is Iran from the U.S. and Israel, would you desert your country’s best defender and elect the preferred candidate of the U.S. and Israel?

Do you believe that the Iranian people would have voted to become an American puppet state?

Iran is an ancient and sophisticated society. Much of the intellectual class is secularized. A significant, but small, percentage of the youth has fallen in thrall to Western devotion to personal pleasure, and to self-absorption. These people are easily organized with American money to give their government and Islamic constraints on personal behavior the bird.

The U.S. government is taking advantage of these westernized Iranians to create a basis for discrediting the Iranian election and the Iranian government.

On June 14, the McClatchy Washington Bureau, which sometimes attempts to report the real news, acquiesced to Washington’s psychological warfare and declared: “Iran election result makes Obama’s outreach efforts harder.” What we see here is the raising of the ugly head of the excuse for “diplomatic failure,” leaving only a military solution.

As a person who has seen it all from inside the U.S. government, I believe that the purpose of the U.S. government’s manipulation of the American and puppet government media is to discredit the Iranian government by portraying the Iranian government as an oppressor of the Iranian people and a frustrater of the Iranian people’s will. This is how the U.S. government is setting up Iran for military attack.

With the help of Moussavi, the U.S. government is creating another “oppressed people,” like Iraqis under Saddam Hussein, who require American lives and money to liberate. Has Moussavi, the American candidate in the Iranian election who was roundly trounced, been chosen by Washington to become the American puppet ruler of Iran?

The great macho superpower is eager to restore its hegemony over the Iranian people, thus settling the score with the ayatollahs who overthrew American rule of Iran in 1978.
That is the script. You are watching it every minute on U.S. television.

There is no end of “experts” to support the script. For one example among hundreds, we have Gary Sick, who formerly served on the National Security Council and currently teaches at Columbia University:

"If they'd been a little more modest and said Ahmadinejad had won by 51 percent," Sick said, Iranians might have been dubious but more accepting. But the government's assertion that Ahmadinejad won with 62.6 percent of the vote, "is not credible."

"I think,” continued Sick, “it does mark a real transition point in the Iranian Revolution, from a position of claiming to have its legitimacy based on the support of the population, to a position that has increasingly relied on repression. The voice of the people is ignored."

The only hard information available is the poll referenced above. The poll found that Ahmadinejad was the favored candidate by a margin of two to one.

But as in everything else having to do with American hegemony over other peoples, facts and truth play no part. Lies and propaganda rule.

Consumed by its passion for hegemony, America is driven prevail over others, morality and justice be damned. This world-threatening script will play until America bankrupts itself and has so alienated the rest of the world that it is isolated and universally despised.

You can find the Ballen-Doherty report here.


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Paul Craig Roberts was Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the Reagan administration. He is coauthor of The Tyranny of Good Intentions.He can be reached at: This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it

Source: CounterPunch
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written by Hadi, June 16, 2009
Was there ever any doubt that the US works day and night to destroy the Islamic Revolution.

They failed time and again. They tried to stage a coup right after the revolution, and they failed. They employed their puppet Saddam to wage war on Iran, and they failed. They've tried to infiltrate the political system, and they failed. They've been trying to stage a velvet revolution and they have failed.

Their plots will blow in their faces time and again.
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written by Awakened, June 16, 2009
Today, in the streets of Tehran, possibly over a Million people marched in support of their president re elect, where were the WESTERN Propaganda Machines?? Were all those people who exercised their democratic right not WORTHY..???or may be it is not the kind of coverage that suits their DEVILISH agendas??? Shame on the supposed torchbearers of Democracy!!!!

40 Million Iranians went to the polls and voted with dignity having queued for hours and hours under the hot conditions....80% voter turnout!!!...the biggest election that brought change to America (Obama's Election) = Just over 50%.....European Elections held recently = Voter turnout was negligible!!!

When a bunch of disenfranchised thugs/hooligans take to the streets and start burning public property, what does the West expect? that they should be supplied with Kerosene and Matchsticks or perhaps served with Chocolate Dessert???

Well, the whole world witnessed what transpired during the recent G20 demonstrations in the UK and in fact the recent public repression by the Police in the UK that has been apparent during various activist protests and marches. Well if the POLICE in the WEST have a duty to protect ALL citizens and public property, so do the Iranian Authorities and every sovereign government for that matter.

The CIA and America have been pumping at least 80+ Million Dollars annually in to supporting anti government splinter terrorist groups in Iran since 1979....this is called respecting international frameworks and the sovereign rights of nations.....not to add to this the 30+ persian channels that are anti government beaming their filth from the USA under the direction of the Neo Cons.

Hello, the times of engaging in shallow and unsubstantiative propaganda cooked in the WEST is OVER!!! People have woken and are awakening every day.


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written by questioner, June 16, 2009
The fact that Sayyid Khamenei is saying there will be a recount shows that there are serious problems. And it is NOT the US which is arguing the elections were unfair, it is the three candidates who ran against Ahmedinejad, all who were approved of prior to the election by the government and all who have served the country for years. And to accuse the three other candidates of collaborating with the US is just as unsubstantiated.

It is outrageous that all the blame for the current situation be pinned on the US which granted wants to overthrow the Iranian government, but cannot be blamed for everything that goes wrong! Furthermore, it is outrageous that so many people are being hurt or killed by the security forces and you are not mentioning that. It is not propaganda, it is fact, and it threatens to overturn the entire system.
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written by Dear Questioner, June 16, 2009
Mr Mousavi, who has only been campaigning for just over a month - declared victory even before the first vote was placed. if that is not fantastical, then what is it. Correllate this logically, to the president who has been in power for over 4 years and in which time has visited every province in Iran, atleast twice, and furthermore began his official campaign over 4 months ago.

The article, if you delve into it, is not negating any facts with regards to the apparent, but is questioning an 'approach' that has been symptomised with hostility ever since the Islamic Republic was formed. The facts are as follows:

1. The people who were killed were "ACTUALLY IN THE PROCESS OF JUMPING OVER A WALL INTO A MILITARY COMPOUND!!!!" - They were looking to LOOT AMMUNITION - STEAL GUNS!!! In fact this is the very essence of the problem and is what is being questioned by every objective analyst covering the story - in which country, which civil protest to 'protesters' trespass into Military Compounds?? Is this the mind of an ordinary protester or are there people with ulterior motives mobilising to achieve their own ends and take advantage of the situation.

2. The first person who was killed, by the way, was not shot by security personnel. In fact it was the protesters who themselves pointed to the security forces, the direction the fire was coming from. Until, this moment, the opposition rally was completely peaceful....No problems at all.....so who fired those shots???Well, I hope that the days to come will shed some light.

3. Nothing is threatening the entire system, Mr Mousavi's interview with Al Jazeera is a good starting point. He is amongst the first people who served the Islamic Republic. What is OUTRAGEOUS however, is the sort of unfounded poison that depicts your point of view, the biggest FALLACY and intentional misconstruction propelled chiefly by enemies of Iran, is this baseless idea, that ALL REFORMISTS are ANTI THE ISLAMIC STATE!!!!That is how the story is being pitched by the Western Medias and their cronies........The funny thing is that amongst the MOST COMMON SLOGANS shouted by the people in the REFORMIST RALLIES has been...."YA HOSSEIN - MIR HOSSEIN".........please be rest assured that nothing is threatening the entire system, many have tried in VAIN for 30 YEARS and have FAILED........

4. 40 Million people voted and their votes must be respected. If a few thousand confused people decide to take the law into their own hands and destroy tpublic infrastructure, then rightly so, the security apparatus should deal with them, with the full force of the law.
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written by BBC Coverage, June 16, 2009
The BBC is using Facebook and Tweeter as "Sources" for news....What has the world come to ...loool

BBC presenter on World News - A massive Mousavi Rally held in Tehran, numbers bigger yet then he says, that there was also a rally for Ahmedinejad, but it was not as big as the pro mousavi as well as being less enthusiastic!!! This is the content that is being beamed to rational minded people all over the world.

Come on BBC

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written by questioner, June 16, 2009
BBC Coverage, the reasons why the news agencies are using those sources is because Iran is clamping down on the foreign media. It is not by choice. What is the government afraid of? smilies/angry.gif

Hey, 'dear questioner', there are not just a couple thousands of Iranians. We are way over that. Haven't you seen YouTube? or is that just a couple of people too?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nifgnonH-BU

You can try covering the truth, but Allah will make it clear. It happened before in 1979 and it will happen again. Allah does not allow zulm whether it is in the name of Islam or not.
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written by Ali, June 16, 2009
There's tens of channels streaming in Persian from the United States i.e. the patron of a large part of the drug addicts of northern Tehran.

What the above comment shows more than anything else, is that these half-sober hooligan youths who (credit to them) have shown incredible skill at breaking windows and burning cars, are declaratively agents of US imperialism.

A message to you and your fellow drug addicts. Not even in the little guarded Micronesian Islands can a band like you pull off a coup. Get back to the opium dude!
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written by THE WHOLE PICTURE, June 17, 2009
Today while university exams were underway a violent mob (consisting of university students) rushed into the examination hall and started pulling the girls hijabs off, tearing the exam papers, shattering windows and everything they could lay their hands on. We had girls screaming and fainting.......

Then the Guards arrested many of the mob as they left the university campus.

Next thing you know western media publishes pictures of "innocent students" being arrested and calls for condemnations of Iranian governmental brutality....

I'm not trying to imply that in the course of arresting there was no violence but can someone please tell everyone to look at everything as a "whole" and not just as "snippets stuck together".

May Dear Allah save us all from these terrible Fitnahs

I was witness to all that is written above!

Can't people complain in a civil way?

Why all the destruction and violence and chaos?!!!
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written by Dear Questioner, June 17, 2009
Questioner, if you really are patriotic to the Great Iran as you impress to be, then it is funny how you seem to be okay with Western Media i.e BBC, CNN et al as a source of any objective discussion, surely, surely, do you think that these mediums have any good at heart. Please, be objective. Its like seeking to research about America while drawing material for the research from Russia!!!!

When the Americans say openly that they have given the green light for 'Covert Operations' inside Iran, do you think their operatives carry labels on their foreheads?Or will they come in the form of Professors, Expatriates or Journalists may be. The government is afraid of nothing, it is just pragmatic and realistic to the challenges posed by those seeking to destroy it from its very inception.

When the revolution happened in 1979, it was the result and efforts of the clergy and the religous authorities complemented by an honorable populace, not Americanised youths who hold angelic reverence for the so called West. Please, do not insult the pure souls of the revolution of 1979 by making reference.

Zulm = burning properties, destroying infrastructure, looting and ransacking buildings belonging to the government. Zulm is also compromising the security of the Islamic State by giving an opportunity to the enemies to take advantage. That is the greatest Betrayal and the worst oppression to the self.
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written by questioner, June 17, 2009
"Dear questioner", you really are brain-washed. you sound like one of these Shias living in the west who has only read about Iran from books published after the revolution by government supporters or gone on a couple of ziyarah trips and has been inspired. My faith does not rely on Iran, although I care about the country very much. You should sit and think about yourself some more before accusing others.

"The whole picture", I agree that there are very bad elements on the other side. But they are not the ones claiming to be Islamic. I can hardly even consider those people Muslims! But the government that says it is acting in the name of the Quran and Ahlul-Bait has a bigger weight on its shoulders. "Pragmatism" was Muawiyyah's excuse for abandoning the rules of Islam. Once we allow for beating of people, fellow Shias, in the name of pragmatism, there is no restriction on what can be done.

Iran is mentioned in the hadiths as being a place which will be entirely corrupt near the zahoor of our Imam (aj). I would not be surprised if we are near that time now.
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written by Questioner, June 17, 2009
Okay, from an objective discussion to this superficial personal assasinations.......I am Brain Washed, sounding like on of these Shias living in the West..who has only read about Iran.....LOL

The number of assumptions you have skilfully made in the space of a few sentences beggars belief, and should be entered in the guinness books of records.

From your last post, it comes across very apparently that you are a CONFUSED SHIRAAZI, in which case, I will not WASTE any more precious time. May the Almighty, CURSE those who have mis used the attire of the progeny of the Ahlal Bayt and INVITE people like COLLIN POWELL, MADELINE ALBRIGHT, and DONALD RUMSFELD to their 'Islamic Centres'.

Iran (Qom) is also mentioned in the hadeeth to be a city that will be safe from Fitnah nearing the time of the reappearance of the Imam (ATF). Care to mention that.

I will STOP here with you, not worth a dot on my keyboard.
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written by dal, June 17, 2009
If there is a dispute then it should be solved by courts not on the streets, any discrepancy in voting should be investigated. Trying to win election by demonstrations is really not right too, but the the demonstrators made their voice heard, reform is needed, women rights must be respected, Mullahs must loosen their grip & modernize our great religion. Nejad is a smart man but may be better to tune down his antagonism to the west, they do not want Iran to be strong specially Israel wants Iran to be weak & helpless, do not give Israel excuses.
Iran set a great example for Sunni & Shia Muslims with this election, let all find the good things in it without divisions.
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written by Tahira, June 18, 2009
The elections were not stolen; this is an attempt by the loosing side to buy some time to figure out how to get rid of the corruption charges that were first pointed out during the campaign. Rafsanjani and his supporters are as corrupt as they come and the president had made it very clear that he would bring those people down. Mosavi’s camp was supported 100% by this corrupt man. Honestly, Mosavi got votes from outsiders but had no chance within the country. This is his way of creating trouble and one that will not be forgiven or forgotten.
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written by Observer, June 18, 2009
I am totally appalled at the behaviour of the loosing camp and the Western Media who have gone on their usual jiongistic tangent as usual without presenting any feasible evidence/facts whatsoever. Its a shame and a futile attempt by the reformist who know the level of corruption that they have been involved with.

The number of cooked up facts that are being repeated in the media is amazing. The BBC has been absolutely disgusting in their coverage. They are in fact massively spoiling it for the real reformist movement who are not anti the Islamic Revolution at all. As a result of this spice, they are already driving many people away from the Reformists already. The reality is that IRAN is BIGGER then TEHRAN, not fogetting that Mr Ahmedinejad is the former mayor of TEHRAN himself and in fact launched his presidential aspirations from the capital during the last election, so has a decent support base. Everybody knows that the Mousavi camp comprises of Upper and Middle Class people who are very dissappointed with Ahmedinejad due to his Budgetary Controls especially on the well to do areas of Northern Tehran. He has massively cut their state financial allotments, and has devolved the funds to the areas where they have been most required, and previously ignored/deprived. Rioting and Vandalism has nothing to do with Elections, disillusioned Westernised drug addicts who are burning public propertyshould be dealt with.

Over 500,000 officials took part in the Electoral Process, and observers from all sides were present. Mousavi's observers have not yet produced any documented proofs with regards to any violations to support their unfounded claims.

I completely agree with the previous commentor, that is is possibly the last throw of the dice by Mousavi and his Corrupt backers to subdue the inevitable FRAUD and CORRUPTION investigations that will be propelled by Mr Ahmedinejad.
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written by Misconceptions, June 18, 2009
I found this, thought it would be useful, from comments of another website:

There are a number of lies put out by the Mousavi camp that need to be responded to:

1. Azeris like Mousavi more than Ahmadinejad. In fact, Ahmadinejad speaks fluent Azeri, and has Azeri blood (and might be full Azeri, no one knows). He has given substantial attention to the Azeri region during his term, to the point where Persians protested his Azeri centric administration.

2. Not all the votes can be counted so quickly. First of all, only about 20% of the votes were counted within 3 hours. The complete set of votes were not counted any faster than they are in the United States, where the election results are reported the night of the election.

3. All the polls had Mousavi leading. No they did not.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_presidential_election,_2009#Opinion_polls

4. Mousavi supporters say it is mathematically impossible for Ahmadinejad to get 62% of the vote. This is absurd, and Mousavi needs to remember that Iranians value mathematics.

5. Cutting off communications was done to affect the vote. Why do you need twitter and youtube to vote? Did the early Americans have this? These tools were cut off because they were being used to incite violence. The riots (burning buses, breaking store fronts) performed by Mousavi's rabid supporters was outrageous.

All in all, it's becoming clear that Mousavi's supporters are bitter and undemocratic Machaevelians, who will resort to any contrivance to deligitimize the vote of the people and force their candidate into power. Their "evidence" insults the intelligence.

I only hope that Ahmadinejad's supporters don't respond in the same way, because they outnumber Mousavi's supporters 2:1.
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written by repentence, June 19, 2009
I was really interested by these comments:
You really are brain-washed. you sound like one of these Shias living in the west who has only read about Iran from books published after the revolution by government supporters or gone on a couple of ziyarah trips and has been inspired. My faith does not rely on Iran, although I care about the country very much.

But the government that says it is acting in the name of the Quran and Ahlul-Bait has a bigger weight on its shoulders. "Pragmatism" was Muawiyyah's excuse for abandoning the rules of Islam. Once we allow for beating of people, fellow Shias, in the name of pragmatism, there is no restriction on what can be done.

Iran is mentioned in the hadiths as being a place which will be entirely corrupt near the zahoor of our Imam (aj). I would not be surprised if we are near that time now.

I have visited Iran during a ziyrate trip and have been inspired by all that has been accomplished by this country. Iran is a reminder to the world that it's politicial system enshrines the principals of religious leadership and an elected legislature.
The governance and leadership during the occultation of the Master of the Age devolve upon a just and pious rabbar. He has the power to formulize the election of the president and under certain conditions dismissing him. Most government institutions also has a representative of the Imam assigned to them. It is this stance along from being independent of the West which has awaken alot of Muslims worldwide.

Be assured any pragmatic problems will be dealt with cause the country has spiritual guidance. Making fun of truth, rejecting it, considering it lowly and not understanding it's importance is associated with pride and becomes Allah's rival, because pride is a quality reserved for Allah alone. I would like to quote Imam Khomeini here in a letter in which he sent to Gorbachev warning the Russian people of replacing communism with Western style materialism. "The basic problem of your country has nothing to do with ownership, the economy, or freedom; it is the lack of true belief in God, the same problem that has drawn the West into a blind alley of triviality and purposelessness.
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written by repentence, June 19, 2009
Please go to www.shiatv.net for the speech Rebhar Ayatullah Khamenie has given during Fridays prayer at Tehran University.
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written by questioner, June 19, 2009
Some facts:

I am not a Shirazi and have been quite active in denouncing those who look for PR opportunities with the zalimeen. Thank you for having slandered me, insha-Allah my record has been cleaned up by your taking my sins. Actually I am very pro-revolution, but I do not see the current events as being justifiable. Brutalizing protesters is the akhlaq and adab of the Shah, not Imam Khomeini. We all blame the Shah's behavior, so what, now who is doing zulm is more important than the zulm itself? This is not the way of Islam.

Regarding the traditions, they say that Iran WILL be corrupt. Qum also will be a place that is a base for the believers, however, their will be corruption there as well. That is happening now -- I have many stories, but that is hardly the point and perhaps getting into that is not beneficial for anyone. Let it be said though that many traditions state that the first 30,000 people Imam Mahdi (aj) will eliminate will be pseudo scholars.

It is amazing that many of you who would have defended Rafsanjani to the hilt just recently, are now backpeddling. Iran is full of corrupt people like Rafsanjani, it is only that some of that has been exposed in a very sordid manner.

I have no more time for this. Insha-Allah you will figure these things out one day and stop slandering others.
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written by Hadi, June 19, 2009
That there is corruption in Iran is not a new fact. If you had been listening to the campaigning of President Ahmadienejad, you would have most certainly been enlightened by now, since one of his central campaign slogans was 'fighting corruption'.

With respect to brutalizing protestors, you may or may not have noticed but a member of the Basij was killed by these demonstrators. In the early hours of the demonstrations, these so-called 'peaceful demonstrators' tried to jump a military depot. It would be nice if you could begin to build a comprehensive picture of the matters on the ground.

Finally, your logic is skewed on the Rafsanjani line. Just because figures in the system are corrupt, it doesn't show the corruptness of the system. In fact, you should be very careful on that line bearing in mind the historical connotations they have e.g. governors and figures close to Imam Ali's (a) government in Kufa, their shortcomings and even those that later turned against the Imam (a) and fought and killed his sons.
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written by Dear Questioner, June 19, 2009
"Dear questioner", you really are brain-washed. you sound like one of these Shias living in the west who has only read about Iran from books published after the revolution by government supporters or gone on a couple of ziyarah trips and has been inspired.

Questioner, we were having what was an objective discussion, before unfortunately, you lost bearing and posted the above comments, which are quite vitriol in nature. Firstly, you do not have any knowledge of whom you discuss with on such platforms, to reduce everybody to sound like shias living in the west, who has only read about Iran from books etc etc....is slanderous, itself.

If you want to be respected and treated in courteous manner, then please exercise the same when dealing with others.

Thank You, and I do humbly apologise, if I offended you in any way.

Dear Questioner

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